{"id":2484,"date":"2009-07-15T13:55:23","date_gmt":"2009-07-15T20:55:23","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/pwoodford.net\/blog\/?p=2484"},"modified":"2023-02-01T07:01:04","modified_gmt":"2023-02-01T14:01:04","slug":"guns-or-butter","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/pwoodford.net\/blog\/?p=2484","title":{"rendered":"Air-Minded: Guns or Butter? (Updated 1\/10\/17)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Or . . . stealthy and expensive mega-guns?<\/p>\n<p><figure style=\"width: 640px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a title=\"140616-F-XT249-508\" href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/halfmind\/32194863216\/in\/dateposted-public\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/c1.staticflickr.com\/1\/568\/32194863216_4aaf3be16f_z.jpg\" alt=\"140616-F-XT249-508\" width=\"640\" height=\"426\"><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\"><\/p><center>F-22 Raptor &amp; F-15 Eagle<\/center><\/figcaption><\/figure><p><\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ve been trying to think of something intelligent to contribute to the ongoing debate over future production of the <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/F-22_Raptor\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">F-22 Raptor<\/a>. President Obama and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates want to cap production at 187 aircraft, the number currently funded. Congressmen and senators from F-22 producing districts and states want to fund an additional 7 aircraft, at least in part to keep F-22 production facilities (and jobs) going. I think that&#8217;s a fair summary of the current situation. You can find additional information and details <a href=\"http:\/\/news.google.com\/news?um=1&amp;ned=us&amp;hl=en&amp;q=f-22+raptor\" target=\"blank\" rel=\"noopener\">here<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>It is, frankly, difficult to find compelling arguments for a larger F-22 fleet.&nbsp; There is no enemy with an equivalent air superiority threat, nor is there likely to be one during the projected lifetime of the F-22.&nbsp; Our existing fleet of <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/F-15\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">F-15<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/F-16\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">F-16<\/a>, and <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Super_Hornet\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">F\/A-18<\/a> aircraft are quite capable and will remain so for the near term.&nbsp; Farther out, the <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/F-35\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">F-35<\/a> joint strike fighter will offer excellent air-to-air and air-to-ground capabilities at lower per-unit costs than the F-22.&nbsp; Secretary Gates <a href=\"http:\/\/www.bloomberg.com\/apps\/news?pid=20601087&amp;sid=axTCIPm9TkxM\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">has said<\/a>, in so many words, that he&#8217;d rather have 187 F-22s and 2,000 F-35s than 200 F-22s and a much smaller number of F-35s.&nbsp; Logic and budgetary realities suggest that Gates has it right.<\/p>\n<p>Yeah, but . . . I was around for the fighter mix fights of the 1970s, where the movers and shakers of the defense community split into two camps: those who wanted to fund and build the F-15 and F-16, and those who wanted to cancel both programs and build instead thousands and thousands of lesser-capable&nbsp;\u2014 but dirt cheap \u2014 <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Northrop_F-5\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">F-5s<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>The F-15 and F-16 were extremely expensive aircraft by 1970s standards, and many defense strategists thought we didn&#8217;t need the capability.&nbsp; As the USAF began to field the F-15 in the mid-1970s, the aircraft was beset with problems . . . it was expensive to operate, many of its vaunted new systems didn&#8217;t work well, there was a shortage of engines, and the weapons the jet was designed for didn&#8217;t yet exist . . . much as it is with the F-22 today.&nbsp; And it was the same a few years later, as the USAF began to field the F-16.<\/p>\n<p>But over time the problems went away.&nbsp; F-15s became more reliable, per-hour flying costs went down, avionics and other systems caught up, the new weapons were developed . . . and we wound up with an air-to-air superiority fighter you could deploy anywhere in the world on short notice, a fighter that has to date racked up a perfect combat kill to loss ratio: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.globalaircraft.org\/planes\/f-15_eagle.pl\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">104 to zero<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>I am biased, of course . . . I was a USAF F-15 pilot from 1978 to 1997 and I swear by that airplane.&nbsp; I watched it grow.&nbsp; It&#8217;s an outstanding fighter, and until the advent of the F-22, the best fighter in the world.&nbsp; I directly benefitted when the pro-modernization forces won the fighter mix battle of the 1970s, and I do not think we would have dominated the skies, ended the Cold War, pre-emptively and immediately gained air superiority over Iraq and Bosnia during the 1990s, or maintained a decade-long, around-the-clock no-fly zone over Iraq, with a fleet of peashooter F-5s.<\/p>\n<p>Still, though, the military-industrial complex Eisenhower <a href=\"http:\/\/coursesa.matrix.msu.edu\/~hst306\/documents\/indust.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">warned us about in 1961<\/a> seems to have a death grip on our representatives and senators, and if not a death grip at least a pretty damn firm grip on defense policy and budgeting.&nbsp; I&#8217;m happy we have 187 F-22s (and I wish I were young enough to fly one).&nbsp; I know from experience that the F-22 fleet will outgrow its current problems.&nbsp; I think, just as with the F-15 and F-16, we will find ourselves in need of the F-22&#8217;s capablities at some point . . . but we have enough of them to accomplish any for-now conceivable air superiority mission, and shouldn&#8217;t build more.<\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Update (7\/22\/09):<\/span><\/em> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.theatlantic.com\/doc\/200903\/air-force\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Click here<\/a> to read an outstanding article on the F-15 and F-22.<\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Update (1\/10\/17):<\/span><\/em> It&#8217;s good to go back and review older posts, and this one in particular, since with the election of a Republican president and the continued GOP majority in both houses of congress, I anticipate renewed calls for reopening the F-22 production line. So what do I think now that a few years have passed?<\/p>\n<p>The F-15s currently remaining in service (more than 200 F-15 C &amp; D models) have been upgraded and share many capabilities with the F-22. What&#8217;s missing is stealth, and as I remarked in a <a href=\"http:\/\/pwoodford.net\/blog\/?p=16895\">more recent post<\/a>, no air force I know wants to go up against a wall of Eagles armed with the same missiles the Raptors carry, stealth or no stealth. It is also true that the two-seat Strike Eagle is still being manufactured, although for foreign customers and not the USAF. Still, we&nbsp;could buy some,&nbsp;right off an existing production line. And new Strike Eagles retain all the air-to-air capability of the old single-seat Eagle.<\/p>\n<p>So yeah, I&#8217;m still okay with capping the F-22 at 187 aircraft. But we do need to get on with the F-35, upon which this whole deal depends.<\/p>\n\n\n<p><em>\u2014<a href=\"https:\/\/pwoodford.net\/blog\/?page_id=14450\"><strong> back to the Air-Minded Index<\/strong><\/a><\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Or . . . stealthy and expensive mega-guns? I&#8217;ve been trying to think of something intelligent to contribute to the ongoing debate over future production of the F-22 Raptor. President Obama and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates want to cap production at 187 aircraft, the number currently funded. 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