{"id":22524,"date":"2018-07-25T18:30:08","date_gmt":"2018-07-26T01:30:08","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/pwoodford.net\/blog\/?p=22524"},"modified":"2023-01-31T17:37:02","modified_gmt":"2023-02-01T00:37:02","slug":"air-minded-non-starter-redux","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/pwoodford.net\/blog\/?p=22524","title":{"rendered":"Air-Minded: Son of Non-Starter (Updated 7\/25\/18)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>See my earlier speculations on the possibility of new F-15s for the USAF:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/pwoodford.net\/blog\/?p=16895\">The Non-Starter Option?<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/pwoodford.net\/blog\/?p=17841\">Non-Starter Option Revisited<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>The first post addressed three &#8220;legacy&#8221; fighter aircraft still in production for overseas customers (F\/A-18, F-16, and F-15), and wondered if the US&nbsp;military might be&nbsp;talked into extending the lives of&nbsp;its own fleets by buying new ones. My specific interest was in the US Air Force&#8217;s F-15C, the aircraft I flew, small numbers of which are supplementing&nbsp;an even smaller F-22 fleet in the air-to-air role.<\/p>\n<p>In the second post, I shared the news, reported in AeroSpace Daily in November 2015, that the USAF was actually considering buying new F-15s and\/or F-16s. I never heard&nbsp;an outcome on that decision (and frankly doubt it was anything more than an aerospace industry pipe dream), but I will note that the&nbsp;US Navy bought into the concept: it&#8217;s buying new F\/A-18 Super Hornets to extend the life of the current fleet and to supplement its planned F-35C fleet. With that success in mind, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.defenseone.com\/business\/2018\/07\/boeing-pitching-new-f-15-using-its-super-hornet-game-plan\/149839\/\">Boeing is now pitching a similar idea to the US Air Force<\/a>: buy some new F-15s to replace the old F-15Cs currently&nbsp;serving in the air-to-air role.<\/p>\n<figure style=\"width: 621px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a title=\"boeing-f15x-1200\" href=\"https:\/\/www.defenseone.com\/business\/2018\/07\/boeing-pitching-new-f-15-using-its-super-hornet-game-plan\/149839\/\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/farm1.staticflickr.com\/928\/43481247422_5f6c8f10f5_o.jpg\" alt=\"boeing-f15x-1200\" width=\"621\" height=\"414\"><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">F-15X with air-to-air load<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>The F-15 being pitched by Boeing is a notional model called the F-15X, based on the F-15E Strike Eagle, but with improvements that have been developed since the Mudhen was introduced in 1989&nbsp;(in export models for Korea, Singapore, and Saudi Arabia). The artist&#8217;s concept, above, looks like an F-15SA, the model currently in production for the Saudis. Presumably it would add a lot of USAF-only extras to make it more fully compatible with our current F-22 and F-35 fighters.<\/p>\n<p>The original single-seat F-15, the mid-1970s A model and the late-1970s C model which followed it (and is still in service), was dedicated to the air-to-air role. It had air-to-ground capability, but that was rarely used. The two-seat F-15E, introduced in 1989, was dedicated to the air-to-ground role, but could fly air-to-air as well. The new two-seaters, the ones currently in production for overseas customers,&nbsp;can easily fly a dedicated air-to-air mission for the USAF.<\/p>\n<p>I don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s going to happen. Previously, any talk of buying new F-15s or F-16s was seen as a threat to the F-35 program, and I imagine that&#8217;s still the prevailing view&nbsp;at the Air Staff. The idea of buying more legacy aircraft as a hedge against a slower-that-expected F-35 buy makes sense to me, but obviously I&#8217;m biased in favor of a jet I flew and loved.<\/p>\n<p>More to come, I&#8217;m sure, as this non-starter of an idea keeps trying to start up again!<\/p>\n<p><em><strong><span style=\"color: red;\">Update (7\/25\/18)<\/span>:<\/strong><\/em> More information today on the F-15X and what&#8217;s behind it, per aviation correspondent Tyler Rogoway.<\/p>\n<p><\/p><center><a href=\"http:\/\/www.thedrive.com\/the-war-zone\/22372\/exclusive-unmasking-the-f-15x-boeings-f-15c-d-eagle-replacement-fighter\">Exclusive: Unmasking The F-15X, Boeing&#8217;s F-15C\/D Eagle Replacement Fighter<\/a><\/center><p><\/p>\n<figure style=\"width: 640px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a title=\"Screen Shot 2018-07-25 at 6.11.37 PM\" href=\"http:\/\/www.thedrive.com\/the-war-zone\/22372\/exclusive-unmasking-the-f-15x-boeings-f-15c-d-eagle-replacement-fighter\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/farm1.staticflickr.com\/925\/28754727257_7229bf84c2_z.jpg\" alt=\"Screen Shot 2018-07-25 at 6.11.37 PM\" width=\"640\" height=\"354\"><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Boeing F-15X<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>In November 2015, Aerospace Daily reported that the USAF was considering a new buy of F-15s to extend the life of the existing F-15C fleet and to supplement new fighters like the F-22 and F-35. I discounted this story. Then, last week, I passed on news that Boeing is pitching a new version of the F-15 to the USAF, the F-15X, as a replacement for the old F-15C fleet, now numbering around 230 aircraft.<\/p>\n<p>More details are emerging. The USAF really did propose buying new F-15s in late 2015, and Boeing&#8217;s F-15X is a response to that proposal. These things take time, apparently.<\/p>\n<p>The article at the link goes into great detail, but the one thing that immediately jumps out at me is that the F-15X is to be a single-seater, like the F-15C it is meant to replace. MacDonnell-Douglas (now Boeing) hasn&#8217;t built a single-seat F-15 since the last C model rolled off the line in the early 1980s. Since then, the factory in St Louis has built variants of the two-seat F-15E Strike Eagle for the export market. The return of single-seater Eagles, to my thoroughly biased mind, is huge.<\/p>\n<p>I won&#8217;t try to duplicate the article. If you&#8217;re into Eagles, you&#8217;ll be fascinated by everything you read there. And there&#8217;s an outstanding video to go with it, which I will duplicate here, of Louisiana Air National Guard F-15Cs and Ds taking off from Naval Air Station New Orleans, refueling from a KC-135R tanker, joining up with two USAF F-35As, then flying around the Superdome in downtown NO before landing.<\/p>\n<p><\/p><center><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/c_d2tkmuc7E\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"autoplay; encrypted-media\" allowfullscreen=\"\"><\/iframe><\/center><p><\/p>\n<p>Am I excited? You bet your ass I am!<\/p>\n\n\n<p><em>\u2014<a href=\"https:\/\/pwoodford.net\/blog\/?page_id=14450\"><strong> back to the Air-Minded Index<\/strong><\/a><\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>See my earlier speculations on the possibility of new F-15s for the USAF: The Non-Starter Option? Non-Starter Option Revisited The first post addressed three &#8220;legacy&#8221; fighter aircraft still in production for overseas customers (F\/A-18, F-16, and F-15), and wondered if the US&nbsp;military might be&nbsp;talked into extending the lives of&nbsp;its own fleets by buying new ones. 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