{"id":16895,"date":"2015-07-07T13:08:03","date_gmt":"2015-07-07T20:08:03","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/pwoodford.net\/blog\/?p=16895"},"modified":"2023-01-31T20:36:49","modified_gmt":"2023-02-01T03:36:49","slug":"air-minded-the-non-starter-option","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/pwoodford.net\/blog\/?p=16895","title":{"rendered":"Air-Minded: the Non-Starter Option? (Updated 11\/20\/15)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The A-10 Thunderbolt II, long out of production, has a constituency. The C-130 Hercules, still in production after more than&nbsp;60 years, has a constituency.<\/p>\n<p>Where are the constituencies, I wonder, for &#8220;legacy&#8221; fighter aircraft like the F-15E Strike Eagle, F\/A-18 Super Hornet, and F-16 Fighting Falcon?<\/p>\n<p>The Arizona delegation to Congress is fighting hard to keep the A-10 in the Air Force inventory past its retirement date. Congressmen from Georgia and a number of subcontracting states continue to force the USAF, against its wishes, to keep buying new C-130s.<\/p>\n<p>But there is near-unanimity in Congress in support of phasing out our inventory of&nbsp;legacy fighters and replacing them, along with the USMC&#8217;s <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/McDonnell_Douglas_AV-8B_Harrier_II\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">AV-8 Harriers<\/a><\/strong>, with Lockheed&#8217;s <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong>F-35 Lightning II<\/strong><\/a>, also known as the Joint Strike Fighter. Guess what, though &#8230; all three legacy fighters are still in production.<\/p>\n<p>Boeing is currently building a version of the F-15E, designated the <a href=\"http:\/\/foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com\/this-is-a-fully-armed-f-15sa-the-most-advanced-product-1715732294\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong>F-15SA<\/strong><\/a>, for Saudi Arabia, and is still actively seeking an overseas customer for a highly modified F-15E variant it calls the <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Boeing_F-15SE_Silent_Eagle\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Silent Eagle<\/a><\/strong>. Both aircraft are greatly improved models of the older F-15E Strike Eagles flown by the USAF, introduced in the mid-1980s and now&nbsp;nearing the end of their operational lives. Both new F-15E variants are multirole fighters, fully capable of air-to-ground and air-to-air employment.<\/p>\n<p><figure style=\"width: 640px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a title=\"MSF14-0060\" href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/halfmind\/19315870679\/in\/dateposted-public\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-flickr-embed=\"true\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"click to view full sized image on Flickr\" src=\"https:\/\/c1.staticflickr.com\/1\/386\/19315870679_e720080100_z.jpg\" alt=\"MSF14-0060\" width=\"640\" height=\"376\"><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">F-15SA: in production now<\/figcaption><\/figure><br>\n<figure style=\"width: 640px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a title=\"F-15 Silent Eagle\" href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/halfmind\/19495773042\/in\/dateposted-public\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-flickr-embed=\"true\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"click to view full sized image on Flickr\" src=\"https:\/\/c1.staticflickr.com\/1\/267\/19495773042_a710568e0b_z.jpg\" alt=\"F-15 Silent Eagle\" width=\"640\" height=\"479\"><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">F-15 Silent Eagle mockup: looking for a buyer<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/p>\n<p>Boeing is still building brand new <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Boeing_F\/A-18E\/F_Super_Hornet\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong>F\/A-18 Super Hornets<\/strong><\/a> in single-seat and two-seat configurations, aircraft currently being flown in air-to-air, air-to-ground, and electronic warfare roles.<\/p>\n<figure style=\"width: 640px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a title=\"F:A-18E Super Hornet\" href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/halfmind\/19314428428\/in\/dateposted-public\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-flickr-embed=\"true\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"click to view full sized image on Flickr\" src=\"https:\/\/c1.staticflickr.com\/1\/549\/19314428428_3c4c9dca47_z.jpg\" alt=\"F:A-18E Super Hornet\" width=\"640\" height=\"339\"><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">F\/A-18E Super Hornet: still in production<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>It is perhaps understandable that Lockheed, prime contractor for the F-35, isn&#8217;t talking up its&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/General_Dynamics_F-16_Fighting_Falcon\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong>F-16<\/strong><\/a> or going out of its way to remind anyone that it too is still in production.<\/p>\n<figure style=\"width: 640px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a title=\"F-16E Block 60\" href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/halfmind\/19314428968\/in\/dateposted-public\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-flickr-embed=\"true\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" title=\"click to view full sized image on Flickr\" src=\"https:\/\/c1.staticflickr.com\/1\/402\/19314428968_9e8acd3c53_z.jpg\" alt=\"F-16E Block 60\" width=\"640\" height=\"512\"><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">F-16E Block 60 (UAE): still in production<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Can it really be there&#8217;s&nbsp;no&nbsp;constituency behind&nbsp;the idea of buying a fresh batch of F-15SA or Silent Eagle fighters for the USAF? Such a buy&nbsp;could make up for the limited number of&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Lockheed_Martin_F-22_Raptor\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong>F-22 Raptor<\/strong><\/a> air-to-air fighters, now out of production after&nbsp;fewer than 200 aircraft were built, far short of the 700+ the USAF wanted. New F-15s&nbsp;could supplement the F-22 in the air superiority role, while also providing air-to-ground capability&nbsp;until&nbsp;problems with the F-35 are worked out. Same goes for current production models of the F\/A-18 and F-16. We could buy more. We could buy them now. For a hell of a lot less money than it&#8217;s costing us to bring&nbsp;the F-35 on line.<\/p>\n<p>I can&#8217;t believe some congressman&nbsp;(never mind the aircraft manufacturers)&nbsp;isn&#8217;t pushing the idea of buying more of these current and proven fighters. I can&#8217;t believe factions in the Department of Defense and the military services haven&#8217;t emerged to support the idea. It&#8217;s like there&#8217;s a wall of silence&nbsp;around the subject. It&#8217;s like this perfectly sensible option is one that dares not speak its name. It&#8217;s like someone at the highest levels has decreed the very idea a non-starter.<\/p>\n<p>All of these current and proven fighters share the advantages attributed to the F-35: they are true multirole aircraft, they are highly maneuverable, they use advanced digital array radars, they can&nbsp;employ everything in the&nbsp;modern&nbsp;air-to-air and air-to-ground armament inventory, they have helmet-mounted displays with&nbsp;off-boresight missile cueing, they have datalink for information sharing. The only thing they don&#8217;t have is stealth.<\/p>\n<p>Fuck stealth. There isn&#8217;t an air force in the world that won&#8217;t turn tail and run from a wall of Eagles coming its&nbsp;way.<\/p>\n<p>Congress must be swimming in a sea of defense contractor bribe money &#8230; and defense contractors like Boeing must have been bought off with promises of greater contracts to come &#8230; for there to be such a wall of silence on the simple idea of buying newer versions of existing fighters. Clamping down on DoD and the&nbsp;military is easier: just threaten dissenters&#8217; careers and label them <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dodbuzz.com\/2015\/01\/16\/general-praising-the-a-10-to-lawmakers-is-treason\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">traitors<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>To be fair, there is also this: the success of the F-35 program depends on American and allied countries standing firm on buying it in the numbers projected. If one or two allies back away from their commitments to buy the F-35, costs will go up dramatically and other allies may get wobbly knees. And if American military services start buying new versions of legacy fighters, they&#8217;re going to want fewer F-35s. In other words, any discussion of alternatives to the current F-35 program is a threat, and that helps explain why the idea of buying additional Eagles, Hornets, and Fighting Falcons is a non-starter.<\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><strong>Update (7\/23\/15):<\/strong><\/span> <\/em>Interesting. <a href=\"http:\/\/news.usni.org\/2015\/07\/22\/boeing-plans-to-keep-super-hornet-line-open-after-positive-signs-from-congress-international-navies\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong>Boeing plans to keep Super Hornet line open after positive signs from Congress, international customers<\/strong><\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><strong>Update (11\/20\/15):<\/strong><\/span><\/em> Wow! It appears my non-starter options might just be a starter after all! So happy to see <a href=\"http:\/\/aviationweek.com\/defense\/us-considers-72-new-f-15s-or-f-16s\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong>national decision-makers taking me up on my suggestion<\/strong><\/a>!<\/p>\n\n\n<p><em>\u2014<a href=\"https:\/\/pwoodford.net\/blog\/?page_id=14450\"><strong> back to the Air-Minded Index<\/strong><\/a><\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Fuck stealth. There isn&#8217;t an air force in the world that won&#8217;t turn tail and run from a wall of Eagles coming its way.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1960,3,14,8,9],"tags":[937,1910,1912,44,1483,1911,1913],"class_list":["post-16895","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-air-minded","category-flying","category-military","category-politics","category-war","tag-congress","tag-f-15e","tag-f-16","tag-f-22","tag-f-35","tag-fa-18","tag-military-industrial-complex"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/pwoodford.net\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/16895","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/pwoodford.net\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/pwoodford.net\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/pwoodford.net\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/pwoodford.net\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=16895"}],"version-history":[{"count":19,"href":"https:\/\/pwoodford.net\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/16895\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":32718,"href":"https:\/\/pwoodford.net\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/16895\/revisions\/32718"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/pwoodford.net\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=16895"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/pwoodford.net\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=16895"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/pwoodford.net\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=16895"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}